The views expressed here are the author's own. This isn’t entirely true. Old people of all colors have a rough time. How do we strengthen our community? What more can they ask for? But I was just pointing out this little nugget from what *I* have (personally) SEEN here in Brooklyn. So it makes me wonder, could Bay Ridge, Sunset Park, Bensonhurst and Borough Park start experiencing the same thing in 10-20 years down the line. Whether or not you believe it is justified, it is still racism. This post was contributed by a community member. If I were to leave to avoid being a force of gentrification, the only neighborhoods I could afford would be…other neighborhoods that are predominantly non-white. How should I be contributing to the community? Sure… mostly white, but also a good number of Asian, some Hispanic, and yes… some black too. That’s another fight. Is gentrification now finally reaching further into Bay Ridge and maybe now Borough Park/Bensonhurst will be next? I don’t do drugs but I can tell you – the SAME SOMEONE just ‘hanging’ on the street corner that ‘happens’ to have a payphone ALL THE TIME….just *might* be an indication. Brooklyn’s Anti-Gentrication Groups are Pushing Antisemitic Narratives and Activism. I have been here since 1962. DitmasParkBlog expands their gentrification project They have now created another website called "Kensington Prospect." And I think these behaviors translate DIRECTLY into their home environment. The increase of white people in a neighborhood means an increase in not just rent and more expensive food and basic necessities, but an increase in police surveillance which hopefully at this point all white people understand why that is deeply unsafe for people of color. You think that any of the behaviors you describe are prevalent at the “lower end of the socioeconomic ladder”? But unfortunately, you don’t have to “choose” to participate in gentrification. I’m so glad to see this post, I am a white resident who is relatively new (<1 year) to Flatbush and I think about this all the time. I don’t want to be anywhere near or associated with drug dealers or drug addicts – I’m not sure there’s anyone who would. I’ve heard parents talk badly about 321, Beacon, Brooklyn Tech, and other “top” schools. My best friend was murdered on the corner of Flatbush and Snyder, My house got broken into at least 2 times a year. I’ve heard and seen gentrification happen, mostly around the Echo Park community. One doesn’t have to 1) be a drug buyer or 2) witness a sale to be able to put those two things together. They invested in rental real estate wisely and were successful. Save Ditmas Park Tuesday, February 16, 2010. PS 217 is a wonderful school – our sons thrived there. While I’m grateful for the appreciation of my apartment….if or when I sell, the total amount is not what I would call “rich”. I think Bud is $4 there. I know a couple who moved here after thirty years (!) Our neighbors have the potential to be our allies. You should like you have let society define you as a victim. The reason you are experiencing such annoyance and frustration at people who appear to work and behave in a different way than you understand is your own inability to adjust your thinking with the times. Sat the garden for its spring concerts? And I know “people of color” who stick around or move in, because they have jobs that afford them the ability to do so. All rights reserved. But gentrification is more fundamentally a matter of class – not that race can ever totally be separated from class in the US, thanks to redlining, blockbusting, etc. It’s happening everywhere! I understand the anger behind the sign. Comment document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a5454768e5abbd4233e2d1ca6b21fd52" );document.getElementById("j5d51c7aac").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Bklyner is your go-to source for Brooklyn news, one neighborhood at a time. [Still Hip Brooklyn via A Child Grows in Brooklyn] Ditmas Park: The hood’s pioneering yups preen over their new cafés and shops but balk at charges of gentrification. Racist against white people? The question is, ” Who are the owners of the real estate? How do you know people aren’t? Landlords are landlords. What’s most galling, though, is the Christopher Columbus attitude of some – not all or even most – of the new gentrifiers, who act as though nothing was here before them and don’t make an effort to learn any of the neighborhood’s history. Support the neighbors who are working to ensure housing laws are enforced and modify existing laws to better fit our needs. Unfortunately there’s little that can be done to solve the problem of rising rents in a market economy, but I don’t think it’s too much to ask people to show a little respect. Every school experience is different. I’ll say in over and over – THANK GOD THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS GENTRIFYING!!! I agree with the article 100% – and I don’t have all the answers for strengthening the community, but it definitely starts with an honest conversation. Absolutely LOVE Sycamore Bar! I don’t really have a zillion choices, here. * Poor people are poor just because they don’t aim high enough. Obviously race and wealth are not perfectly correlated. But I absolutely remember in the early 1970s when it became less so, and then downright dangerous. The Person who wrote that sign is obviously not a property owner, I was born in Kings county hospital, grew up in this neighborhood in the 80’s and 90’s My best friend lived on Westminster and Beverly, I attended St Rose Of Lima school Now its a charter school. Sunset Park’s Opportunity Zones will supercharge the gentrification already taking hold in and around Industry City. Several neighborhood spots are foodie destinations, which makes it easy to get friends to visit but also means your neighborhood spot probably has a wait for a table. ThIS I agree with 100 percent. Does demographics change an area? Who is allowed to move in? At first, we hated the neighborhood: it was full of street gangs and drugs! And yes, white people cannot claim to be victims of race discrimination, no matter what the learned folks at Fox News say. Hopefully you’ll grow up some day and realize that even in a bad system, individuals still have agency. too many dark people? The hidden effects of gentrification. As an Italian/American family, moving into a large Victorian single family home, we were viewed as “sketchy”, as is where did they get the $ My mom lived there until the mid 1990’s and saw the area go up and down and back up, it is no different than any other area in NYC. And that the tenants are all criminals engaging in drug related activities? This neighborhood was not changed by either the FDC or CAMBA, but by the poor immigrants from the West Indies that organized and changed the area. As for that ugly sign at the B train, it doesn’t say much for the person who wrote it — in the same way that its reverse would have been in the late 1960s. I think not. When I observe these individuals eating a candy bar and tossing the wrapper on the street EVEN WHEN THERE IS A TRASH CAN ON THE CORNER or eating on the subway and throwing food on the floor or CHANGING A DIAPER on the table of a fast food joint (have you seen the youtube clip? * Or, yes, maybe it was coincidence. In 2009, Ditmas Park was touted as a place filled with "the grand Victorians, ... Sheepshead Bay, and Marine Park get chosen for the gentrification major leagues? But I also realize that what benefits me does not necessarily help others. Too bad the Cornerstone’s not around anymore, but you can head down to 773 and learn a lot about the neighborhood. I appreciate the Farm, Sycamore, Bar Chord, Qathra, etc. Of the neighborhood’s approximately 52,000 residents, 45% are foreign born (compared to 37% citywide), ... of gentrification and the possibility of displacement The commercial district lacks plazas and green spaces, Which is insane because it’s more of (in my book) a CLASS thing. * Older residents can’t expect to be the only ones here forever. People are paying rents that 10 to 15 years ago were 600 dollars and are now 2600 dollars or more. As for every parent in your building, well, they must have been missing a whole lot. Those fighting to stay here for the sake of their child’s educational opportunities and the safety that Ditmas Park currently provides.. they’re being forced out into neighborhoods where they will become exactly what society wants them to be – a statistic. I will have to disagree, actually, with the general rebuke of the author in question. There are new African-American gentrifiers, just as there are longtime white residents who are not gentrifiers. Have you ever seen a person evicted, all his belongings in trash bags out on the sidewalk? I was kidding but sounds like a great american tale of the true American dream. The only people it hurts are new people who want to move to the neighborhood and find rent higher than it used to be. Or, as I said, I could move into a predominantly non-white “bad” neighborhood and be a force of gentrification. However hard it may be to believe Ditmas Park is still comparatively very affordable in NYC terms. It was also a political neighborhood. What’s commuting distance? Your email address will not be published. Let’s live in peace! there should have been a limit to how many section 8 tenants a landlord can put into one building. That’s too bad. Ditmas Park is policed by the NYPD's 70th Precinct, and is within Brooklyn Community Board 14.Within Ditmas Park is the Ditmas Park Historic District, a national historic district consisting of 172 contributing, largely residential buildings built between 1902 and 1914. Heck we even have to thank gentrification for The “ditmasparkcorner” If this area still had all the riff raff there would be no bklyner.com lol. on might think another resteraunt or Dominos is moving onto Cortelyou…. I could find someone about as affordable as this, but nothing that would save me money. I decided to research the negative impacts from gentrification towards lower class and minority groups and started my research paper… No, many are doctors, lawyers, and teachers, but what scares everyone is the lack of diversity. Shit, I’m upset I can’t live in a mansion too.Who can I blame to make myself feel better? Celebrate exploitation! You may be perfectly happy with PS 217. You know, if that WERE what happened in real life, we’d all be ringing our hands about how racially segregated the city is. In addition, to rehalling our tax system, but you need a unified discussion and movement to change that. How is someone an obvious drug dealer? Gentrification from the Inside Out in Brooklyn’s Ditmas Park [New Geography] Just enough people can pull themselves up by their bootstraps that people can point to them and say “See!” and conclude that everyone else poor is just lazy and stupid and not systematically oppressed by poverty. Last summer, I witnessed gentrification happening in Berlin. It seems like a lot of people who are on the lower end of the socioeconomic ladder seem to 1) take advantage of the system 2) don’t care about their surroundings and 3) feel like everyone else OWES THEM because they are “poor” while everyone else “has so much”. The answer to this is a bit uglier than “because some people just like to deal drugs, and they should go somewhere else.”. This is the first honest answer about gentrification; however race still plays apart. Regular workingmpeople like teachers and accountants who cared about the community and made time to become involved. ***eye roll*** I grew up poor and own my own house. The former Town of Flatbush is a unique area and we are drawn to it – and choose to stay here for generations – because of shared values and a love of our community. Personally, I would prefer the neighborhood schools to be of better quality (even though I don’t have kids) and some of the rattier looking storefronts to either renovate or disappear – but I’ll take what I can get. I expanded on my second paper, for my research paper - originally I zoomed in on gentrification throughout Ditmas Park. Feb 26, 2012 - Jan Rosenberg, a 20-year veteran of Ditmas Park (having left. Gentrification refers to the change in class composition of a neighborhood. There’s a reason why scientists are explicitly trained when it comes to observation and that reason is this – as it turns out, the average person on the street is NOT very accurate when it comes to observational analysis. what does that mean? I can’t afford to buy an apartment in Ditmas Park anymore, so now I’m looking at Bed Stuy, and when I move there, I will be considered a “Gentrifier” even if I’m brown! And I want to point out that you are generalizing when you say that “people of color” are being replaced in these neighborhoods by Caucasian people. If you just throw up your hands and give up and accept that you’re in a crappy situation, then that’s where you’ll stay. You only have an extra year on my in terms of living in the neighborhood – but don’t tell me you don’t appreciate the AWESOME GENTRIFICATION that is happening. ACTUALLY Sassy, I’ll go out on a limb and say this: Construction crews refacing a block-long Ditmas Park building will cover over a four-year-old mural depicting children of different races working together, charge scorned neighbors who are questioning if the changes are in step with the gentrification of the leafy community. The website whiteantiracist.org has a pretty nice write up about the different models of whiteness in today's society. This is what caused the neighborhoods to get run down. Guadalupe Andrade March 4, 2018. If you’d like to share your Ditmas Park Perspective, including your response to today’s topic, don’t hesitate to contact editor@ditmasparkcorner.com. How is that absurd? We can’t have an honest discussion about the changing city without acknowledging the role of racism in creating the current situation and the fact that racist policies continue today. I know plenty of young, professional, Asian and Hispanic people who move to these areas too. WELCOME! I worked hard in school, went to college, got a good job, saved money, bought an apartment. One of the main effects of gentrification, as it is happening in Brooklyn (Ditmas Park, Crown Heights, Williamsburg, etc) is that the people who lived in the neighborhood in the “sketchy” days (usually, people of color) can’t afford the rent after the neighborhood gentrifies and are replaced (for lack of better words) by Caucasian people. We loved Caton ave and being close to Prospect Park. I’m very fortunate, but I realize there are downsides for others. One of the things I love about Flatbush is the neighborhood’s history of diversity. The neighborhood suffered white (and black) flight in the 1960s, ultimately resulting in economic and racial diversity in the surrounding apartment buildings, but she says the two sections rarely interacted, and downtown DP remained a ghost town. They are being replaced by these rich trust fund kids who sit in coffee shops and contribute nothing to the community except money spent on food and drink. I find that judgement hard to muster when I imagine the frustration that may have inspired those words. No, it sucks because people don’t even want to try to better themselves. Usually there at night. I’ve been doing over an hour and fifteen minutes one way for over 30 years. If you lack the sense, to know that you do not write racist comments on a MTA subway entrance, you probably fall into the riff raff category that all black property owners in the area are happy to see leave. as much as anyone, and frequent lots of neighborhood establishments. Bedsty was 20 times worse, walking the streets at night in the 80’s and 90’s you were literally playing with your own life back then. * If that’s not an amazing measure of financial security, I don’t know what is. History rewrites itself constantly. Since then my apartment has appreciated four times what I paid for it (possibly five) which is, in a word – AWESOME! Website by Web Publisher PRO. Did you ever hear of the Community Action Project that formed into Brooklyn Congregations united that terrified politicians, who actively sought to destroy it, and did, once the work for all was done. The language of segregation and white supremacy have no place in our community. What’s your take on Ditmas Park’s changes? Gentrification is when houses or districts are being renovated mostly for the middle-class taste. I am not happy with the school. Parental involvement. [Ditmas Park Blog] East Village: Gentrification haters have two fun protests tonight — one of the imminent Cooper Square Hotel, another of a local shoot for SATC ripoff Lipstick Jungle. . If you don’t care about the people being displaced, then of course it’s great and it seems as though things are improving. Lived there too. It’s the businesses that have the power to shape and redefine a community and it’s hard to influence an owner on how to run their business (well.. Donald Sterling), unless we decide as a community that we support EOE employers and that we value the diversity we have. Flatbush has long been home to immigrant and minority groups and hopefully will remain a place that welcomes all people. There is a lot of corruption in landlord-tenant, the CB is the source and the zoning commission. Why?Please don’t use the term market value. And I know people who have sold the property they owned in these areas back when it was “sketchy” and basically ended up making retirement money in the process. Apparently even MENTIONING the latter ‘generalization’ labels you *racist* if you, yourself, are not black or brown. Don’t be so obtuse. Nowadays, the neighborhood has gotten better and my parent’s apartment went up in value! Gentrification from the Inside Out in Brooklyn’s Ditmas Park. Ditmas Park is home to the recently restored Kings Theatre. Ditmas Park is a historic district in the neighborhood of Flatbush in Brooklyn, New York City. Flatbush is (gradually, depending on your perspective) becoming unaffordable for (relatively) poor people (many of them nonwhite). Your email address will not be published. I’ve been told I was a “pioneer” more times than I care to count, which is absurd and insulting to anyone here longer than me – and that’s a lot of people. I plan to catch one of their RnB and Soul parties.. looks cool. Why was garbage sold in stores, not organic and healthy food when the neighborhood was West Indian, but people are under the impression, that West Indian neighbors are poor. And the cycle continues…Circle of Life! We’ve stood by as our neighborhood was taken from us in the 80’s and 90’s, by ignorant people like the one who wrote that sign. Can you clarify what you imagine the frustration the author may have been feeling was? Affordable housing and income inequality are issues that affect all of us. You know, the homes that we, as tax payers are footing? Sure. The fact that social injustice exists doesn’t mean you will never own your own house which is what you said above. I was stuck in a standstill, because information about gentrification in Ditmas Park is very limited. I also wonder how you are so sure that the people you see littering are poor. Building owners would shove as many section 8 tenants they can fit into one building. Events, Neighborhoods. Stand your ground. Let’s stand our ground by standing together to strengthen our community. The same way I figured out how someone is a drug dealer. Real estate agents outside the area looked at the number of foreclosures. I’m white, and I can barely afford to live here. * You’re a winner. As for the new arrivals, a lot of them may have been forced out of their longtime neighborhoods for precisely the same reason. People like you seem to expect everyone to cheer change because it’s the natural order of things, but it’s also human nature to want to preserve the character of the place of one’s roots. Gentrification, Models of Whiteness, Ditmas Park Blog and what it means to you. A safe, clean neighborhood, means higher property values, so rents are more expensive. Sorry for the run on sentence, but you cannot say that gentrification doesn’t have a skin color, again based on what is occurring (or has already occurred) in many areas in Brooklyn. No more obvious DRUG DEALERS hanging out on my street corner! And – random but – Ox Cart has a picture of what seems to be “field workers” on the wall.. and a sandwich called the “Good Ol’ Boy” – anyone catch that? March to #FundExcludedWorkers Shut Down Brooklyn, Manhattan Bridges, Oula: Modern Maternity Care Opens in Brooklyn Heights. Cori Carl is a communications strategist and ghost writer. * Yes, many of us know that drug dealing is happening. Yeah. I said it once and I’ll say it again. Just because things may be stacked against you (as you say they are) doesn’t mean you should surrender. After extensive research, I have concluded that gentrification has led to an increase in homelessness. Ditmas Park is a Brooklyn neighborhood with restaurant rows offering American comfort food, Middle Eastern meze, Tibetan momos, variations on an Indian theme, and plenty of creative coffee-shop fare. So you’re proposing that if white people have to gentrify somewhere, they should do it in a low-rent white neighborhood…to further segregate the city? In addition to the waterfront, Sunset Park’s census tract 118 includes two proposed mega-developments on 8th Avenue and is also a designated Opportunity Zone. These shifts are very much shaped by race and socioeconomic status. As far as African Americans or the majority , who are West Indian, blockbusting, they were paid to do it. Kids are shooting each other in the head. You have to destroy a neighborhood before you can buy it dirt cheap. Are you suggesting that the well documented poor upkeep in buildings with very low income tenants is due to the behavior of the tenants rather than the negligence of landlords? Ah, the ‘culture of poverty’ thesis rears its ugly head. She blogs at lifeinflatbush.com. If I move out to the ‘burbs, my other expenses (car, metro pass, insurance) increase to the point where any money saved in rent is eaten up by expenses I don’t have here. It does not hurt people who were already here. As someone’s stated before, it’s hard to control the rent and property taxes in a market driven economy. Cori grew up on a flower farm on the Jersey Shore and moved to Brooklyn seven years ago. Exactly how involved are you in the finances of these people that you know for a fact how they can (or, no matter their color, can barely, or are trying to figure out how the hell to make rent this month while working full time) afford to live here? But as a community, as “white and black people, working class and middle class”, we can influence these businesses to keep our culture rich and diverse through either supporting or not supporting them. Folks who have money will live where they want to live, and their decisions will impact those already there. Ditmas Park Corner|April 29, 2014 @5:30 pmSeptember 30, 2014 @5:30 pm. I have looked. The unusual mix of housing – from tiny rental apartments to huge mansions on wide lawns – has always meant that a wide variety of people have lived here together. The old cheap places are still here. I don’t know where you get your info on neighborhood schools. Photo by Flatbush Gardener. International Researcher Wants To Interview Ditmas Park Residents About Gentrification Anna Gustafson | June 10, 2015 @3:45 pm June 10, 2015 @3:45 pm After spotting this sign at Newkirk and E. 16th Street, we were curious to find out more and emailed the listed address last week.
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